Comments on: WLS Console beauty more than skin deep http://hardlikesoftware.com/weblog/2008/08/22/wls-console-beauty-more-than-skin-deep/ The writings of John Snyders, mostly about software. Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:18:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: John Snyders http://hardlikesoftware.com/weblog/2008/08/22/wls-console-beauty-more-than-skin-deep/comment-page-1/#comment-8609 John Snyders Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:17:11 +0000 http://hardlikesoftware.com/weblog/2008/08/22/wls-console-beauty-more-than-skin-deep/#comment-8609 [Here are some comments from the original post] * Very good point jbayer. It points to a different kind of performance improvement. Letting the user do things more efficiently. Lets say the page you visit most often takes 10 clicks to navigate to. If the average wait for a page was 2.5 seconds and now it is improved to 1 sec (these aren't real numbers - just for illustration). The time to get to this page went from 25 sec to 10 sec. But if rather than focus on page load performance we made navigational improvements so that now it took lets say 2 clicks to get to your favorite page the total time to navigate goes from 25 sec to 5 sec. I think (but have not tested this theory) that there is a psychological component to this as well. An app requiring 10 quick clicks will still feel fast and an app with just 2 slow clicks will feel slow even though you got where you wanted faster. Don't get me wrong I would like to see lots of navigational improvements in Console. I hope that your comment will help illustrate the need for Console usability improvements so I get to work on that in the future. Here is something that might help. You can create bookmarks for pages you go to frequently. You have to log in first for them to work. Another thing is that you will probably want to rename the bookmark because Console uses the same title for every page (I know that's wrong :-( [update: the page title was fixed] Thanks Posted by: jsnyders on November 14, 2007 at 1:50 PM * John, thanks for taking the time to write this up. I think many BEA customers can benefit by applying more best practices in the front-end side of their applications and using the console as an example and talking about the changes is great. I have tried the new console and I like it a lot. One thing that I think is still missing is the ability to directly paginating the list Deployments. Clicking next->next->next gets very tiresome when loading lots of applications / libraries as is the case with WLP which might have 50+ deployed artifacts. I hear this as a pain point of customers very frequently. Posted by: jbayer on November 14, 2007 at 10:19 AM * Just downloaded and fired up the console, looks good! Great job. Posted by: sghattu on November 11, 2007 at 5:42 PM * Hi John. I've just checked out the console in the TP. Good work! Posted by: paston on November 11, 2007 at 2:43 AM [Here are some comments from the original post]

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Very good point jbayer. It points to a different kind of performance improvement. Letting the user do things more efficiently.

Lets say the page you visit most often takes 10 clicks to navigate to. If the average wait for a page was 2.5 seconds and now it is improved to 1 sec (these aren’t real numbers – just for illustration). The time to get to this page went from 25 sec to 10 sec. But if rather than focus on page load performance we made navigational improvements so that now it took lets say 2 clicks to get to your favorite page the total time to navigate goes from 25 sec to 5 sec.

I think (but have not tested this theory) that there is a psychological component to this as well. An app requiring 10 quick clicks will still feel fast and an app with just 2 slow clicks will feel slow even though you got where you wanted faster.

Don’t get me wrong I would like to see lots of navigational improvements in Console. I hope that your comment will help illustrate the need for Console usability improvements so I get to work on that in the future.

Here is something that might help. You can create bookmarks for pages you go to frequently. You have to log in first for them to work. Another thing is that you will probably want to rename the bookmark because Console uses the same title for every page (I know that’s wrong :-( [update: the page title was fixed]
Thanks

Posted by: jsnyders on November 14, 2007 at 1:50 PM

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John, thanks for taking the time to write this up. I think many BEA customers can benefit by applying more best practices in the front-end side of their applications and using the console as an example and talking about the changes is great.

I have tried the new console and I like it a lot. One thing that I think is still missing is the ability to directly paginating the list Deployments. Clicking next->next->next gets very tiresome when loading lots of applications / libraries as is the case with WLP which might have 50+ deployed artifacts. I hear this as a pain point of customers very frequently.

Posted by: jbayer on November 14, 2007 at 10:19 AM

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Just downloaded and fired up the console, looks good! Great job.

Posted by: sghattu on November 11, 2007 at 5:42 PM

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Hi John. I’ve just checked out the console in the TP. Good work!

Posted by: paston on November 11, 2007 at 2:43 AM

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